tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post8652621312025582964..comments2023-11-05T05:09:07.727-07:00Comments on Eli's Blog: AZ: Unit Review 2009Eli Grimmetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07604667349885426204noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-28996814933427999312009-01-25T11:19:00.000-07:002009-01-25T11:19:00.000-07:00Good question! And a difficult one to answer...I'...Good question! <BR/><BR/>And a difficult one to answer...<BR/><BR/>I'd say if you were going to lump 10 year cycles together then we'd be looking at a case where moisture, feed, coyote predation, etc. plays a big role, but strictly on a year to year basis I'd say the role is minimal.<BR/><BR/>The biggest difference we see in horn size from year to year is in the smaller units or units with very few tags and antelope. <BR/><BR/>A unit like 17A can vary from having 3 bucks over 86 inches to have no bucks over 82 inches in one year. For instance, the unit only has 4 tags and the bucks are easy to find and in a very tiny area. Any hunter hunting the unit will have most likely seen all of the bucks and each hunter will probably get the one he's after. <BR/><BR/>A unit like 10 will usually always have bucks over 86 inches somewhere. Not only will most hunters never even come close to finding all the bucks, a lot of hunters won't get the one they're after and several of the bucks will be locked up on private land. <BR/><BR/>So, on a year to year basis, hunter selection does play a big role, but unit size I think is the first factor to consider. <BR/><BR/>Also, one last thing to note, is that the weapons allowed in the unit will also play a huge role. Unit 8 will always have bucks that escape and not just because it's all timber (although that also plays a role) but because it's a muzzle loader only unit. <BR/><BR/>Unit 19A had 90 inchers for years and years because no one could kill them with only using a bow.Eli Grimmetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07604667349885426204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-39319584717109436482009-01-25T10:09:00.000-07:002009-01-25T10:09:00.000-07:00How much does the quality in these units vary each...How much does the quality in these units vary each year, depending upon amount of moisture, or possibly even more important, the timing of moisture?<BR/><BR/>I search the record books, and some years AZ produces many 84+ bucks, then some years, very few.<BR/><BR/>Is it a function of moisture amount/timing, or just the luck of hunters holding out for these great bucks or not holding out?<BR/><BR/>I would gladly take a tag any year, regardless of moisture amounts, but was mostly curious of your observations.Big Finhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446519926333121809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-74879615532581887182009-01-25T09:59:00.000-07:002009-01-25T09:59:00.000-07:00I know of a few mid 80's archery bucks last year, ...I know of a few mid 80's archery bucks last year, but I don't have any photos of them. <BR/><BR/>Correct, Doc's buck was 19B.<BR/><BR/>If there were more than a few left over 84 then we must have been in the wrong spot. Now, if you think there might be more than a few over 84 this year, then I'll agree. ;)<BR/><BR/>Why do you choose 3A/C? What unit did you have last year? And how did you do? <BR/><BR/>I guided in 3A several years ago. It was a fun experience being able to start from scratch and see what we could find as we had never set foot in 3A before that time. <BR/><BR/>Never been in 3C before, though.Eli Grimmetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07604667349885426204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-59370918171063653972009-01-25T00:46:00.000-07:002009-01-25T00:46:00.000-07:00Eli, I am pretty sure there are more than a few ov...Eli, I am pretty sure there are more than a few over 84 still in 19A. Certainly not as many as there was August 15th. This transplant certainly isnt going to help anything, thats for sure. I am going 3a/c this year. Would be something if I drew 2 years in a row. (yeah right)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-846359791277465532009-01-24T21:56:00.000-07:002009-01-24T21:56:00.000-07:00Eli, were ther any big archery bucks taken in Az i...Eli, were ther any big archery bucks taken in Az in 2008? Was the auction buck in 19B?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-52180179203153097252009-01-21T16:27:00.000-07:002009-01-21T16:27:00.000-07:00We don't have to wait until you draw a tag...send ...We don't have to wait until you draw a tag...send me an email! :) <BR/><BR/>I'd love to learn something about Unit 7.Eli Grimmetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07604667349885426204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-72853817205173858232009-01-20T22:07:00.000-07:002009-01-20T22:07:00.000-07:00well they dont just vanish!!! One of these days I...well they dont just vanish!!! One of these days I will draw a tag and we can talk all day long!!!jhullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222180988337080693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-31207868410450258352009-01-20T15:44:00.000-07:002009-01-20T15:44:00.000-07:00I've given unit 7 more chances than you know. I'v...I've given unit 7 more chances than you know. <BR/><BR/>I've scouted the unit every year from top to bottom. I've only seen two bucks over 90 inches in that unit ever and both of them disappeared without a trace.<BR/><BR/>My dislike of unit 7 doesn't mean I don't scout it. :) Quite the opposite. We probably scout unit 7 more than most people who draw a unit 7 tag. <BR/><BR/>It's just that, other than Petersen's one buck and the two we've seen that vanished, I don't believe there are any recorded 90 inchers from the unit. <BR/><BR/>It seems odd, and that there should be several, but I don't know of any. <BR/><BR/>Do you know something I don't? Do tell... ;)Eli Grimmetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07604667349885426204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-40923110248549461252009-01-20T13:14:00.000-07:002009-01-20T13:14:00.000-07:00Thanks as always, although I still think if you ga...Thanks as always, although I still think if you gave unit 7 a chance you would be suprised<BR/><BR/>Johnjhullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222180988337080693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-34643070892998400832009-01-19T23:27:00.000-07:002009-01-19T23:27:00.000-07:00The guides we know who have good access said that ...The guides we know who have good access said that there were almost no antelope in there last year. No idea where they went. Also, of the ones that were there, none of them were big. Getting access to the Vegas and related ranches is required as there is almost no land to hunt other than these few ranches. This place used to be paradise, but the developing of land, etc. is changing all that. <BR/><BR/>On a brighter note 17B did kick out a couple 90 inchers a few years back and the area definitely holds the giant buck genetics.Eli Grimmetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07604667349885426204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5270951474657638712.post-66815347956051842872009-01-19T21:52:00.000-07:002009-01-19T21:52:00.000-07:0017b? whats you thought.17b? whats you thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com